soiling

soiling

by: drcrabbere - 06-08-09 01:55

According to the latest media report, more and more children are soiling theselves at school. I would like to hear about any personal situation if anyone would care to make a comment.

I also read that Ofsted will be setting new guidelines to help care for these children at school and that workers are in a quandry about who would take the responsibility to help the child who soils himself/herself at school.

When I was an NNEB Officer, the teacher used to ingore the child who happens to soil himself; this happened about 5 times during my temporary (3 months) position at one school. I took the responsibility, spoke with the parent and help the child when this occured, taking care to protect the child's feelings. I did this because I cared for the child's emotional/social development but I was really angry with that teacher who supposed to be the more intelligent one!!

I wonder how many children are suffering today if no one seems to want to take this responsibility  - if it is not in their job description- as reported; and I can't wait to see what Ofsted will do about this.

by: Lolly

The other day I listened to a talk about this subject on the radio, a caller had rung in saying that she looked after her grandchildren so could toilet train them in conjunction with their parents and their parents wishes and because she had time to do this.  She practically condemned nursery staff saying that we are to busy and have to many children to look after and so we don't toilet train the children in our care properly.  How about everybody taking responsibility rather than passing the buck.  Parents seem to want their children toilet trained but always send their children into nursery wearing nappies and we have to change them into pants but when the child gets home, back into nappies they go.  So if parents under take this sort of action then children will get confused and as they start school so young these days what do the teachers expect.  As for the teachers they seem to think that they are way above anybody else and cleaning up a child's accident is beneath them.  This is out of order they should not ignore a child who has had a toileting accident, they should be sensitive towards that child, encourage them to use the facilities, find out if there are any underlying issues.  If a parent or nursery nurse left a child in this state we would be had up for child neglect what makes teachers so bloody special.  If they don't want to look after and educate the whole child then they should be thrown out of their profession.

by: Maestro

Anyone have access to a full report? The news article on the front page fails to mention the age of the children, some schools will now take children reportedly from 2 1/2?! In an effort to get the children in to the school. How many of the children are actually coming from nurseries, and how many are coming from so called "normal" backgrounds i.e. no family, health etc probems.

Teachers need a pretty good slap really. Most of them moan about being depressed, in a high pressure job, little money and refuse pretty much to do anything other than stand in front of a class and try and recite. Its fair to say that our education system is failing miserably.

by: Lolo

I don't think teachers object to helping children who have soiled themselves per se, it is more that if the are doing that, then there are 29 other children unsupervised in the classroom!  

by: drcrabbere

Teachers do think that they are "IT" - this is the "problem" with the system! They also need to recognize that nursery nurse/practitioner knows more than they do about how children develop and work as a team. Then a lot of difficulties will be getting solved.

When I was in trainng, I did the reaearch on teachers curriculum; I know what I am talking about, by the way if the curriculum have improved, and teachers are still behaving like a "big shot" then they need to improve on their social/emotional development in order to function in the education system.

by: Lolo

Drcrabbere - I have worked in primary schools, and have not encountered the attitudes you are talking about.  Teachers worked in partnership with support staff, with a great deal of respect for their individual expertise and knowledge.  Support staff were given roles to suit their strengths and interests, supported to achieve further qualifications, and valued within the school community.  i didn't really experience any prima dona behaviour such as you are describing.

by: kaz (the first one!)

I agree with you both! I have seen teachers who think it part of their job to care for a child as well as teach and also seen teachers who would not stop their lessons for anything, including a child throwing up in the corner!  You can't really pigeon-hole them!

by: billabong

I'm a teacher and I ALWAYS change soiled/wet/sicked on children. I DON'T STAND INFRONT OF A CLASS AND JUST RECITE, I DON'T THINK I'M "IT", I DON'T NEED A GOOD SLAP AND I DO WORK REALLY HARD. I hate the way many of you on this forum appear to resent and bemoan teachers. I work REALLY HARD for the best interests of my staff team, parents and class. I know what I'm talking about and I put theory into EXCELLENT practice, SO GET OFF MY CASE.

by: kaz (the first one!)

as I said, you can't pigeon hole teachers! I also know nursery staff who will ignore a soiled child.....

by: billabong

Thankyou Kaz, me too. I have a first on scene policy. I couldn't BEAR to leave a child, my view is that I am not in a third world orpanagne so I'll deal with it.

by: Mia

We used to collect a child from school 3 afternoons a week and every afternoon he came out of the class in damp clothes where he had wet himself and had been left in it all day, there wasent even a message from the teacher telling us he had done it, we decided to talk to the teacher who said she never knew he did it! (the teaching assistant behind her looking totally shocked at her answer to us) never the less it still continued untill he moved class - That teacher was lovely would change him during the day, tell us in the afternoon and called a meeting between us, them and the parents. I also know of nursery nurses that would try and leave children and when mentioned would give the excuses of "I just checked them" or "I cant smell anything"! It Does not matter where you work theres great staff and lazy staff everywhere!

by: drcrabbere

Its good that individuals are being honest in this discussion.

To those that are angry; I say, GUILTY!

I am now hoping that at least one child will benefit from this discussion.