Uniforms

Uniforms

by: Chey - 17-06-09 17:07

Dear all, I am very interested to research and discover why many Early Years Settings have a uniform.

New training is trying to bring closer together the relationship between 'education and care' in the form of educare. Why then do we have uniforms?

Personally I dislike them intensely. I have worked mostly for LEA in settings attached to schools. Teachers and other professionals who visit the 'school community' do not wear uniforms or even name badges.

I am a trained N.N.E.B who has worked professionally in Early Years since 1984. I have lived and worked abroad 7.5 years in Switzerland where uniforms are not seen in schools. The only people wearing uniforms in Switzerland are those playing football, the military, police, Mcdonalds and whilst performing surgery.

I have been told that Uniforms are 'more professional'? by several different sources.

I feel a professional is a professional by the way they think and act around others and has little to do with me looking identical to another human being.

I am currently studying my FdA in Early Years (Child Development) and would really welcome all responses to this posting. I am thinking about researching this area for my dissertation.

Many thanks to you all.

by: kaz (the first one!)

I run a pre-school and we supply our new children with a t-shirt which 9/10 wear to the setting. We also have sweatshirts for sale. Parents like the uniform because they are smart looking and are easy to wash. Children like them as they fell they 'belong' to the group.

Uniforms work out cheaper for wash and wear than regular clothes. The average child wears a uniform for 9 months of the year and probably only replaces it once during that time (or not at all!)

My staff are supplied with tabards in the setting. It's not compulsory but very practical and keeps our clothes cleaner. Pockets for pens, obs notes and rubber gloves. All staff also wear a name badge.We find that the new children settle better when staff can be easily identified by a uniform.

As a parent I have loved my children wearing uniforms, again for practical reasons. Easy to wash, no thinking about what they wear (mufti days are a nightmare!) and no worries about them ruining expensive clothes or those given as gifts. No worries about not being in 'fashion'.

As a child I never wore a proper uniform. To begin with this was because my parents did not believe in uniforms so I felt very left out and begged my parents to buy me one. As I got older, my new school didn't have a uniform but I still wore something uniform like.

When I wear my uniform, whether it is a tabard, baseball cap, t-shirt or my caot (all with pre-school logo on) I always feel very much the professional. Sometimes tho, I need to take them off and be just me!

by: Chey

Dear Kaz,

Thank you for your information, really useful. My main area of interest is the adults. I know that for children it is a different arena with different issues and the feeling is mixed. Apologies for not being clear. All info regarding adults wearing a uniform much appreciated any job by anyone also welcome. Would like to obtain a balance of thoughts and feelings on the subject.

kind regards

by: Maestro

If you saw what some girls deem fit to wear in a nursery you would understand why uniforms are needed. If you start stipulating what they can and can not wear you may aswell get a uniform for the easiest.

Uniforms tend to be more hardy for everyday wearing and washing. The girls look smarter, easily identifiable, more professional as the majority of people will still judge by appearance, I dont have to listen to "do you like what I'm wearing...", "ooooooo where did you that top..."

We do not wear name badges, children learn to recognise faces faster than written words.

Teachers and other visiting professionals do not wear uniforms as they do not have to put up with children wiping their noses down them, baby sick, bodily fluids (if they do its rare), daily cleaning fluids, rolling round on floors etc etc... Teachers that do will have a uniform, be it a tabard or apron for cooking, PE uniform, science overall....

by: Lolo

At my daughters pre-school, the statff wear uniform t-shirts, in the colour of the "team" they work in.  I think this can help the children identify their key workers quickly in the early days.  

Lots of adult jobs involve uniforms - retail, emergency and armed services,  Royal mail/ couriers etc etc etc.

I think it is a matter for individual settings.  PErhaps a tabard would be a good compromise - allowing for individuality with the choice of clothes, but still allow branding/ recognition/ protection?

Some childminders choose the wear NCMA branded clothes while they are working.  Perhaps they feel it allows them to draw a lone between private time and work time? 

by: Chey

Dear Maestro,

I hear what you say, but this does not answer my question fully, I did not witness challenging dressing in any of the european countries I have worked in despite people highly valuing their individuality. Modesty in the workplace is valued. Why not here? What are we doing wrong with our young people. I have read many of your posts and I am sure you will have an answer :)

I can see the need for protective clothing for mucky jobs, but I really wish to search deeper than this. I am referring to transparency, diversity and inclusion right across the board. 

And yes if anyone out there operates their nursery or Early Years setting as a co-operative, please, please make yourself known.

I love Robert Owen.

Kind Regrds Maestro, keep the challenge on all forums flowing, particularly enjoyed the banter between you and joshuajones re: Nursery Nurses salaries :)

by: mickey

Staff uniforms should all be shocking lime green with pink spots, That will Teach em to be nursery nurses

by: red sun

Mickey - you do make me laugh!!

I think providing staff with uniform does cover equality and diversity. The uniform is provided free of charge (well ours are), this means staff don't have to worry about having "work clothes" which will inevitably get covered in paint, glue, and other "nice" things! Some people may not be able to afford "work" and "non-work" clothes. Uniform also gives people a sense of "belonging" and being part of the team. I always try to ensure that any new staff I have have their uniform for their first day. 

by: Tunja

As a childminder i sometimes wear NCMA branded or childminder markedt-shirts.

I do this for several reasons: I like to have different clothes for when I am off duty, T-shirts are easier to keep clean and nice and I can change them several times in a day if necessary, they are tax deductible, they are a very good source of 'free' advertising as I am instantly recognizable as a childminder and prospective parents can approach me then for a business card, while I am out and about it also demonstrates to members of the public what a real childminder and not a stereotype does.

and for Mickey:

Not all childcarers wearing uniforms are nursery nurses, I am a childminder with EYPS, and pink clashes with my red hair. I think maybe your wooden spoon needs a holiday. Anyone searching for you on the internet is going to think twice about employment possibilities. The internet can be your friend or enamy depending on how you use it.

by: Maestro

I agree with Janny that a uniform can provide equality and inclusiveness for staff. In fact I agree with her whole post.

I have worked in despite people highly valuing their individuality. Modesty in the workplace is valued. Why not here?

People do respect their own individuality unfortunately not many respect others. Herein lies the problem. Travelling round European countries (I've only been further once or twice) I have experienced that people are more relaxed, respectful, helpful, have a sense of community (patriotic if you like) where as Britain... its all about the money and status. Status being a MAJOR factor in my opinion. Equal rights here means being able to afford the same things, have the same things. Its a social competition to "keep up with the Jones's!" Children having the latest fashions, latest technology etc... This trend follows them through life. How many times have you heard a parent say "I want them to have all the things I never had as a child"? This is another contributing factor to our recession. People trying to live way above their wages, taking easy credit to afford everything then snowballing into debt. I'm digressing!!

This behaviour gets embedded into everyones personality and conciously or not it appears everywhere, even in the work place. We are quick to teach children their rights which is fair enough, but morals and respect should be taught at the same time. The sense of community is quickly lost or divided. I've bumped into people by accident and although apologised you still get what can only be described as a verbal diaohhrea of abuse. So much for the apology! Even if they walk into you.

What are we doing wrong with our young people?

Giving them too many material needless things, too eager to teach them to count to 10, learn their abc, shapes etc... Not enough love, care and basic life skills.

Ok apologies for the digressing of the post but it kind of fits in and I could write an entire book on it so its very simplified.

by: me

i hate uniforms for children and staff! the only time we use anything institutionalised is caps n a trip. the whole point of our service is to celebrate the individuality of each child but we make them all look alike! not here! wear what you want when you want as a child and wear whatever makes it easy to do your job and you feel comfy in as an adult if appropriate. i value their individuality and each personality adds to the setting. 

by: bubbles

Not sure I really see the issue with wearing a uniform....we changed ours a few years back and now wear shirts instead of polo shirts. It has made a huge difference to the way we all look, much more professional. As someone has already said it stops staff wearing their own clothes which might not be the kind of thing they should be wearing to work with children!!

I also think its so much easier when you walk into the nursery as you can straight away see who is staff. And the children know who is staff which helps with settling etc.

Also good advertising......and I just love seeing how smart we all look. I have over 60 staff and have been open for more than 9 years and have never had anyone question us wearing a uniform.

by: Chey

Dear tutu,

thank you for your post, I agree,

are there others who feel this way? Please contribute your thoughts,

kind regards and thanks to you all for contributing

by: mickey

some Uniform, That i used to wear were rubbish to be blunt, dark green witha logo of a Bee, guess what Nursery That was then...

i would agree with uniforms, They rock, wear then with a sence of pride. make this Law.....male staff member MUST be made to wear the worst colour ever, To ease the pain of the pay at the end of the month...

Managers must be made to wear shocking Yellow, and they must have a bell round the kneck . So staff know when the Manager is on the way... hey i should (c) This Idea

by: Lolo

Why not have a flexible uniform policy?  tesco has several choices of uniform, I think, why not do that?  Then staff can wear a tabard over their own clothes, or have a polo shirt or a smarter uniform.  maybe provide 2 complementary colours for choice?

by: lollysmum

In our nursery we use the nurse type tops and plain black trousers, this is supposed to give the nursery a feel of professionalism, unite the team, clearly identify trained staff from students or volunteers for both the children and their families, separate us from other nurseries within the private sector and be practical, especially for those of us working with very young babies.

However staff often despair at some of the uniform suggestions made when we occassionally play with the idea of a different or new uniform idea, then we just go back to what we know works best for our nursery.

Mickey I like your suggestion for the Managers =)

by: mickey

Ah, Ah I'm only playing, As Normal, i also think every Nursery room should have two way radio's, Breaker 1.9 The Manager is coming in fast at 12 o clock, every one get busy lol.

Seriously though, if you have a uniform thats nice to wear (NIKE PLEASE) and the colours are cool, there's no problem. i used to wear a bright Yellow one, i used to love it, however, We had a dark Dull green one, Which was pants YUK

by: kaz (the first one!)

mine is PURPLE!

by: Lorentz.

Dear Chey.

I agree with you. I too do not like uniforms for the following reasons. I think all people, as individuals bring their own personality to work with them. This personality is reflected in the clothes, materials, colours the people choose to wear. The children then experience the richness of being with individuals who express themselves by wearing their own clothes.

For me uniforms are for institutions, prisons and hospitals.

by: mickey

Whate colour

At the end of the Day if your contract says uniform, Either wear it or shape up n ship out....

by: Chey

Food for thought!

In another forum the question is asked about titles, nursery nurse, early years practitioner etc.etc.

If we wear Nurses or dentists like outfits surely we are giving rise and fuel to the confusion of what a good title would be, I have to say this question eludes me.

I like to think of myself primarily as an educator, although I care deeply about my key children and all the children trusted into my care.

Are we giving mixed messages when we choose to dress in a formal, antiseptic way?

I again mention school teachers and other professionals who do not wear a uniform. Society takes these professionals seriously and offers trust and support. As someone who is trying very hard to raise people's awareness to how valuable we are in the hope that one day working conditions and pay will increase and improve, I feel that uniforms put us on par with many menial positions, not to mention the discomfort when trying to move, stretch, dig, run,jump and 'play' out of doors.Teachers also do mucky jobs/arts and craft/outdoor play etc. in these situations they wear appropriate protective clothing. However on a daily basis they look groomed, smart and comfortable. This promotes respect and a sense of seriousness and parents feel that their children are in good hands. Children see good role models who are caring, intelligent, groomed, smart and individual.

I am very pleased with the responses I have received so far thank you. I have also passed this by my colleagues at University and it has become quite a hot topic. So something that I will definately pursue.

Keep a look out for that article which discusses the connection between what we wear, with how we are perceived by others and how all of this nurtures the pay and working conditions in current existence. And how all this may change with a greater number of Graduates available looking for a setting in which inclusion, diversity and uniqueness are truly embraced.

Again I thank all those who have taken the time to contribute for your very valuable comments.

Kindest regards Chey

by: mickey

Cey, I'm glad your Uni Class are talking about this... if we don't talk, nothing gets sorted.. So you and your Uni Mates, keep up the good Work.

by: red sun

Teachers are far less likely to be sitting and crawling round on the floor; unlike nursery nurses!! I wouldn't want to do that in my own clothes. I'm more than happy to wear a nursery uniform!! Take pride in in in fact.

In a previous life I was a WRAF for 9 years and again wore my uniform with pride, it made me feel that I belonged; maybe this is where my acceptance of uniform stems from?

by: kaz (the first one!)

at the local carnival on Saturday we were promoting our pre-school. My staff and I all wore t-shirts the same as the children's (although not worn daily as we have tabards) and we gave out hundreds of balloons in the same colour with the same logo. The rival pre-school was also at the carnival and they were not in uniform (or if they were it wasn't distinct!) and I know which of us stood out more. Now I know you might think 'so what?' but my point is that as a PVI setting, we need to be recognised by our uniforms and this was a promotion exercise. We also 'advertise' when we are out on walks with the children. 

I never had a uniform as a child so I like wearing one!

by: Jen Jen

i agree with uniforms as when a uniform is not worn then you find some people may not be able to afford clothing and look scruffy. A uniform makes a setting look a team were as people wearing different colours makes the setting look unproffesional. we have uniforms like nurses they have pockets to store your famous post it notes and a pen. when i started my 1st job i didnt have a uniform at first and i ruiened so many clothes. i disagree with settings who dont have a uniform as the children recognise you in a uniform. youd end up with people wearing all sorts that are not suitable for work, i love my uniform and feel proud to wear it

by: Jen Jen

u may say we should not have uniforms like nurses but we are NURSERY nurse who care for people we should have just as much respect as they do, we as secondary carers give the children their first start in life and should stand proud and look professional

by: GailB

As a registered childminder I hate the idea of a uniform. In my opinion a uniform has no place when you are caring for a child in a home based environment that is supposed to emulate their own surroundings. Do mothers were uniforms? Or grandparents?

I wear smart but comfortable, casual clothes. And when they get dirty because I've been crawling around on the floor with children, there is a fabulous invention called a washing machine that I use to get them clean again. If we are doing something really messy, then I take a leaf from my Grandma's book and wear an apron. (which has the added advantage of encouraging the children to do the same too)

I associate uniforms with more formal establishments and feel that they have the potential to be alienating to children in my care. Are we telling children that we are incapable of one of the most natual jobs in the world, caring for our young, if we do not wear a uniform? In a private day nursery setting I have no qualms with a dress code, as is in most employment. But children need to create a stong bond with their key person. The ability to easily distinguish them from their collegues surely must be an important factor.

I teach children to have the utmost respect for those people in uniform that have the duty to help protect us, (police, firefighters etc) Are we in danger of undermining the importance of those uniforms by having huge sectors of society in uniformed roles too?

In my mind, a uniform can also work to enforce a sense of 'us' and 'them'. A barrier between groups or individuals. This is not a message I want the children in my care to receive. I will continue to wear appropriate clothes that send out the message that I welcome them into my home because I want them to be there. Not because I get paid to do it.

I look at the NCMA branded clothing and while I can appreciate the advantantages, I am adamant that I won't wear them.

by: Karine

Chey

I took my mother to my daughters Infant school and she was shocked totally at how the teachers dressed.  Scruffy, unkept etc., etc.,  In her day now....... and I got the lecture.

Some elements I tend to agree with, I do believe that children can identify with someone wearing a uniform.  We look to policemen, fireman, nurses, dentists etc.,  So why not childcare professionals wearing a uniform.  I am not saying a uniform gives anyone credibility.  But as for being an individual is this the only way you feel like yourself?   just because you wear your own clothes does not make you an individual, its whats on the inside that counts - not youre clothing thats pure piffle!

I challenge you its because you simply feel uncomfortable with conformity and that you feel conformity is no longer the norm. Freedom of expression has its place - weekends and holidays.  When you work you are representing a company, you are a professional representing that company and should be proud to do so.

Too many people want to do too many things and go against the grain, just because they might be able to push those boundaries.  There is more to life than worrying about a uniform!

by: mickey

MILLIE

God how true is this. Teachers who dress like they have been drinking white cider on a park bench all day, Sorry They are scruffy so and so's But they want children in a Uniform, Makes me laugh. some male Teachers need to go buy a Mache 3 to. get a shave. lol

by: Chey

Dear Millie,

thank you for your post, interesting, I must say I have not had the pleasure of working for a 'company' I know that chains exist within the 'Early Years' sector. I have worked within LEA with severe learning difficulty and additional needs and with charity organisations.

All about different strokes for different folks I guess, and in this business being very aware that no one person has all the answers.

Thank you once again to all those who have contributed, keep posting. It's great to celebrate our diversity.

kind regards

by: iggyfishtank

I dont agree with uniforms. It makes it look like you are in a menial job like in McD's. Its about reducing your identity to be the same as everyone else and people hvaing control over how you dress.

It also makrs you out as someone who is in the service sector which is a large part of why wages are so low. If its a service we provide and not education then wages can be kept low.

If people turn up in something innapropriate then you send me home. Its not rocket science. They keep doing it then there is a disciplinary policy. People are not stupid. thry go to work and would wear things that are sensible.

Someone said it was fair as some people could not afford work clothes. Well, seen as they are for work you should either give people a clothing aloowance or raise the pay so that people can afford basic clothing.  Is that the standard of work and pay people deserve? They dont even have enough money toget clothes?

Having a shave does not make you better/worse at your job either. Some people have sensitive skin and having a rubbish beard is part of being a guy. To deny the children this experience is crazy. 

by: billabong

I teach in the nursery unit in a very large infant school. Some time ago my nursery nurses asked if they could have a uniform because they felt it was difficult for new parents and staff to identify who was staff, who was a helper, a student and so on. I was ADAMENT that I would NOT wear a uniform, not because I have a problem with them but because I spent 10 years working for airlines and was sick of wearing ridiculous styles. Well the day came and when I saw how practical, comfortable and professional they all looked wild horses wouldn't keep me out of it! It's up to the individual staf memeber if they choose to wear it or not but most people do, including the head.

p.s I don't think there is anything wrong 'working in menial jobs' I've often worked as a cleaner and I hold my head up high!!!!!!

by: kaz (the first one!)

We had a midwife come to see the children (she delivered one of the children's baby siblings a few weeks ago) She wore a uniform and looked great. I certainly wouldn't call her job 'menial!'

by: mickey

I WOULD'T EITHER

by: billabong

Who are we to call ANYONE'S job menial!. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US has an important part to play in maintaining our infrastructure. NO ONE is more IMPORTANT than anyone alse. I know that my nursery nurses, cleaner and suport staff will back me up when I say that I create an environment of worth and value for all, regardless of job description, uniform, tittle or ANYTHING esle. What's going on in your minds when you believe that the wearing of a uniform makes you inferior or less of an individual. I read some of your responses to my friend, a pilot who wears a uniform every working day, he just laughed!

by: Strawberry

Wow! You have a lot of replies so I have not had chance to read them all. Sorry if I repeat what others have said!

I work in a private day nursery and I have the most hideous BRIGHT blue polo shirt ever. It's unflattering and if you wear it out on your lunch break people can spot you a mile off!!

I do agree though that the majority of staff in private day care are quite young and would wear inappriprate clothing (I have witnessed this in previous non-uniform nurseries). Everything in this country is based on how much you can afford (something that has made me consider relcating often).

I feel maybe we should have a dress code rather than a uniform and maybe a tabbard if we want to keep clothes clean.

Or if they insist on a uniform - something nicer than a polo shirt. I'd actually quite like a smart blouse. Our seniors wear blouses and they are room based and can get just as messy as us. However, they look much more professional than we do - we just look scruffy as the polo shirts are always too big and baggy and just look awful.

by: cookie

Hi Chey

Personal feelings on this, much prefer a uniform in nursery as I usually get covered in paint,mud,playdough etc !! Am with others on perhaps opting for a blouse/shirt rather than the polo shirts which seem to be the norm 

As a parent think it is a good idea, as you can identify staff straight away and also counteracts the inappropirate clothing issue, do not feel wearing a uniform in any way menial or degrading, or feel that others control what I wear, I like to think that as childcare workers we work in a professional way and the uniform presents a professional image and that we work as part of a team.

by: mickey

STOP playing with children then This would'nt happen, What next The re-birth of Michael Jackson

by: Karine

You know what its begining to make me laugh this post!!

Where places do not have designated staff for children - what uniform do you think they will then wear to show their individuality:-

Reebock, Nike, Gucci, Prada - etc., etc., take a look at some of the staff and children it is a competition who can wear the latest and trendiest gear - and that goes for some of the poorest families I know.  Sell the gold around their necks and perhaps they could afford a nursery bill on the odd occasion!

Sorry - had a bad day.

I rarely see individuals these days - at some point their is a fashion or a trend that someone is following - so give me a uniform anyday of which I am proud of and feel that no competition will arise or later on a fight as children get older -

People fight to get into this country - but they fight to change it?

by: Maestro

Although uniforms are not common in Switzerland, some private school, have uniforms. Same in the USA.

IMO a School Uniform is very much a part of Britain. A uniform creates a whole community, which does not single a person out. A person's individuality is much more than what they are wearing.

by: Karine

I agree Maestro

by: mickey

just a Passing thought, Which took me all of a week, So the sun is melting me.

Uniforms, Are they given to staff, Or do the staff pay for the pleasure, Silly question, Thats all i can manage these days.

by: kaz (the first one!)

I supply my staff with tabard, coat and optional t-shit and baseball cap. The children all get a t-shirt in their registration packs. 

by: Maestro

Uniforms are given to the staff, they pay a deposit to help make them look after them properly and then the deposit is returned to them when they leave,

by: mickey

Thanks for that Info Maestro

by: Messua

The first nursery I ever worked in had a uniform of a cerise nurse's dress! It looked hideous and the children seemed angry all the time. I was glad that there was a uniform, but we were only supplied with 1 so with the accidents that inevitably happen with young children, I found that I had to wash it daily. I was grateful though; it meant I wasn't damaging my "own clothes". In addition to that, it did mean that when the parents came in, it was easy to distinguish staff members from other parents. Another place I worked in had a blue nurse's dress with a tabard and the option of wearing navy trousers in winter, while comfortable, this was not as smart and, I felt it left the parents confused.

by: red sun

We've recently changed from having a fleece to having a waterproof jacket. These have been a huge hit with the staff and are fantastic for free flow/walks in the rain, and look very smart too!

by: Flossy

Hi Guys,

 I am a Nursery Nurse on a Children's ward and the uniform is the best part of the job!!!!

 I have Dora/Scooby Doo/Spongebob, the best thing is how the children recognise you from everybody else, i would never want to blend in the background, i want to be noticed by all the children! They are scrub top style so have pockets for pens/note books etc... i do distraction in theatre and venepuncture and the tops are a distraction in themselves!

 I have worked in a nursery and we wore polo shirts, i found it much eaiser on a day to day basis and it made me feel like part of the team

by: mickey

Hi people,

I thought i would say a word or two about this one.

I have been a NNEB post 1999, Every job i have had, a part from two, Uniforms have been required.

For one, Uniforms, Let the parents Know who the staff are, sounds silly, But true.

It GIVES THE nURSERY sOME KIND OF STANDARDS TO, i.E LIKE SCHOOL CHILDREN WEARING UNIFORMS.

I don't think uniforms are a bad thing at all, Mind you and it must be said.ow i'm old at 41 it is nt uniforms that bother me, It's No one wants me Arhhhhhh

by: Viks

In theory I think those in my setting if asked would say that would want to wear their own clothes, however this would soon become boring, maybe after the first case of dihorea that went all over the new top that in the morning seemed like such a good idea to wear to work!! We have a tshirt that is the same colour as the logo, we can easily be recognised when out walking with the children and generally a good advertisement. Its also easier to know exactly what you are going to wear and that when that delightful child decides to wipe snot on your back your not going to wear your top anywear else by accident!! Frankly it just makes life alot more simple.

by: outspoken2010

I am from Germany , working the last 7 years all over the UK.

It does not matter if you wear a uniform or not to be a professional-being a professional shows in the way you condict yourself. Professionals DO NOt arrive at work in unappropiate clothing and in an umkempt state.

I personally do not like wearing an uniform and when going to a job interview check it out. In doubt I would prefer a place of work without uniforms at all. We all make a big HUHU about the EYFS regards "individual " learning - dressing all children or staff in uniform- making the same-does not make sense to me in this relation .

In germany jeans are worn by the majority of EY workers andI have yet to come across a child that has problems to identify a carer just because it is not wearing a uniform.  People identify one another by face and voice - if  all staff are in blue poloshirts are more difficult to identify .

There are always options to pretect clothes from messy stuffand at the end of a day it needs to go in the wash anyway... and jeans who are a bit paint streaked by Wednesday will do till Friday. you are still not unkempt.

My worst nightmare is a room full of people in the same clothes-  when working in a school- identifying the one child I was looking for in a sea of blue checked dresses , blue poloshirts and black trousers  was horror.....

 Someone mentioned along this thread "...staff may not have the money for work and other clothes"   well then pay them more....

In my opinion uniforms are fine for identifying a person who will help you in a place  like on a train station or Supermarket.

In a place where we form lasting relation ships facial recognition should be enough.

Cheerio!!

by: Maestro

Someone mentioned along this thread "...staff may not have the money for work and other clothes"   well then pay them more...

If only it was so simple.

by: blackberry jam

Uniforms are needed!  Even in a setting where staff do wear uniforms and where parents have been individually introduced to their child's keyworkers, we have had instances of parents saying they do not know who staff members are.  This is also in a setting with a photoboard of all staff in the main reception.

Uniforms are primarily for the parents/carers - they can instantly tell who is staff and who is not (perhaps another parent or visitor).  Also, although of course the children do recognise their nursery carers by face, if they see that person outside of the setting, in the supermarket for example, they have a job recognising them!

People should "get over it" with the whole uniform thing.  Senior staff should also wear the uniform.  We are there for the children and should not be overly worried about opportunity (or lack of it) to express our individuality by the clothes we wear.

by: outspoken2010

Well if a parent does not recognize  the carer of hid/her child by face then even a uniform will not help .....you cannot generate interest with an uniform.

Of course we are here for the children but they give a toss what we are wearing. As long they can smear dear little dirty  fingers or paint on us without being told off

by: some badgers

outspoken 2010 "...my worst nightmare is a room full of people in the same clothes"  Really? Yet you choose to work in childcare in the UK? I would suggest you stay away from the education system, that could damage you for life you poor thing.

Do they "tell them off in" Germany?. 

It is quite normal for English people to wear bad clothes and tell  their kids off but not at Nursery.

On a serious note though, you and others have said that staff should be paid more to buy decent work clothes instead of being supplied with uniform. Where do you suggest the money comes from? If you are thinking 'from the uniform budget', think again. Uniforms can be sourced extremely cheaply and bought in sufficient quantity that the cost is far cheaper than most of us could afford decent work clothes for.  Would you rather wear a tabbard?

Someone else said "..people are not stupid" and that they would wear the right clothes to work if they had a choice.  I believe that not everybody is stupid. Therefore some people are. Most of us meet them everyday and some of us work with them.  If you think I am being harsh think about all the different  of people that work in Early Years, not just you and those around you. So when (some of) your staff start comming in the summer with their white bits hanging out all over the place, low slung jeans with butt crack all over the place and their latest tattoo scabbing up nicely we say "the dress code is trousers/skirt and a t shirt/shirt only - hey presto a uniform of some sort.

Uniforms exist in every walk of like in this country. It may be because we are so crap at helping people/providing a service that the customers need to know who we are. Maybe you should ask fathers, many of whom do not come to Nursery as frequently as their partners if they find the uniforms helpful.

 If you don't like uniforms in childcare and education to the point where it really bothers you, you probably made a bad career choice. You could always go find a job in mainland Europe.

by: outspoken2010

To Some badgers

Thank you for the friendly attitude. 

If I had the choice of working Mainland Europe i would certainly do so. Sometimes family takes you to a different country and one wishes and hopes that the people in this country appreciate and consider a different view of thing.

Having worked as manager in child care I had to deal with unappropriate clothing anddid so by speaking with the staff.  Especially in  a country like the Uk where everyone is so careful about "correctness" it should not be problem for managment to nip this unappropiete clothing issue in the butt.

Regards Fathers infrequently being at the nursery - so what - I have to ask who this strange person is- he can do the same....password area good set up for such occassions. We all have a mouth to ask questions and if needed re-introduce ourselves.

Thankfully I found a place of work with openminded managment that embraces my experience from abroad.

Adapting to a different country is not so easy maybe you should try it out yourself.

Now I am off to my non- uniform nursery,have a nice day.

by: some badgers

.......one more thing. One of the question marks against uniforms appears to be how they relate to 'being professional'

Well this is what I think - Uniforms are worn in 'this' country by many people who perform roles that we as a nation (generally) relate to professionalism and we are very proud of them. Such as the British Armed Forces, Nurses, Doctors/Surgeons, Firefighters, paramedics, police, midwives etc..

Many of us believe that people in these occupations perform their roles to standards which are some of the highest in the world.  Over the years many business (outside of Early Years) have adopted uniforms as a symbol of their professionalism, where a customer might feel reassured that each staff member wearing the company logo/uniform is as competent as the next in their ability to perform their job. Misconceptions as to the ability of an individual are not formed based on a persons choice of attire. 

For many, and this may be a cultural thing, uniform might represent a correlation with training. This country has a huge military tradition. Although many these days are quite oblivious to this.  In the past people have had to earn the right to wear a uniform. 

When I see a person in civilian life wearing a uniform, I see someone who has reached a specific level of competancy in order for their company to allow that person to broadcast that they are a part of it. Nurseries have absorbed some of this uniform culture.

Wearing black trousers and a polo shirt is not about 'control' or taking away your individuality. Granted for some of us the colours are a bit grim and the cuts are bad.  Are we so shallow that what we wear defines us on a personal and individual level?

If you don't feel like an individual because of what you are wearing at work, I would suggest that you have other issues.

by: some badgers

thanks but I don't need to adapt to another country I love this one.

by: some badgers

OUT..2010

you said - "..it should not be problem for managment to nip this unappropiete clothing issue in the butt"

Now that is European thinking !!

by: 'Old' Louise

I haven't yet come across a school where the teaching staff (including those in early years) were required to wear a uniform - would be interested to know if anyone else has. 

by: Chey

Hi there to everyone who has contributed to this discussion, when I opened this quite some time ago in fact, I had no idea that it would generate such passion and diversity of opinion.

Just goes to show how unique and special we all are. I hope everyone takes that uniqueness and openmindedness into their workplaces to share with both the children and their colleagues.

I am now well on my way to obtaining my EYPS and NVQ Level 7 and I thank you all once again.

Spice is/brings variety to life, WOW!!

To all those thinking of starting up their own setting, check out eco hab homes on google for an affordable alternative to premises. Any cooperative settings out there? Please get in touch

Kindest regards to you all

by: red sun

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by: outspoken2010

by: some badgers

OUT..2010

you said - "..it should not be problem for managment to nip this unappropiete clothing issue in the butt"

Now that is European thinking !!

Well, I am glad that most people I have come across are openminded and  would consider themselves British as well as European. We are living in a world that changes very much and should aim to consider other backgrounds ( most people try).

by: blackberry jam

No matter how European we consider ourselves to be we normally nip it in the bud, not "the butt".

by: Tiggy

I like uniforms. No problem deciding what to wear. Practical. Cheap.

I do think giving staff a choice of a few colours is a better idea than just having one.

There is a nursery I know of that is changing to bright pink. Hmmm. I've met a few young boys coming to my nurseries  on work experience who said they wouldn't want to work in childcare after school because of what thier friends would say. Making them wear pink T-shirts will scare even the bravest off.

by: shepherdess

I'm sorry, but how is a polo t-shirt in a colour that does not suit me smart and professional?!

As a highly creative person I find it incredibly limiting and squashing to wear a uniform. 

I always look smart and professional for work - appropriate to our working environment.  Lawyers do not need a uniform to look smart and professional, nor do teachers, so why should we?  A simple dress code should be enough, as in any work place.  No cleavaqge and nothing too short is enough.

Children love to talk about what they and others are wearing, and it is a great way to bond eith a child, saying how you like each other's clothes.  Similarities and differences of taste can also be discussed. It is also a great way to learn to accept each other for who we are - uniforms make us all uniform,  we lose a lot of teaching when we hide ourselves behind a uniform.

I had to wear one once and I felt humiliated and like a school child.  I am a grown woman capable of dressing smartly.  I thought the staff looked really scruffy, as they bought the cheapest stuff they could find and wore the same flour, paint etc stained things all week!  That's not smart!!

Where I am now, we all dress as we like, and it is so interesting, as we are from several cultures and generations, and this comes across so beautifully in our dress styles.

I believe eqality and diversity is best expressed and fulfilled in a Nursery/Pre-school when staff are also celebrated and respected for who they are,

I hope this helps you in your enquiry - I have been pondering this for a long time myself and cannot fathom the need for uniform at all!

All the best

by: Maestro

This thread is rather amusing. I do like the comparisons people make.

Life's so unfair isn't it

by: Emily

I waer a uniform at work (i work in a private day nursery) i think that it is easier because the polo shirt i wear can be put on a 60 degree wash which means it isnt as much of a nightmare if i get covered in paint (or something more nasty) unfortunatly i had to pay for my own uniform but we were told it was compulsary to wear our uniform which i found odd (someone once tld me that if we had to pay for our own uniform we were not obliged to wear it! not sure how true this is) i think a uniform makes you look smarter and the polo shirts in particular make you seem more child firendly. they are easier to clean and they last ages and you dont have to worry about what your going to wear for work or worry about ruining your own clothes. also you stand out more for the children and parents and they recognise you easier. visitors to the setting know who to approach because they cans see our uniform with the nursery logo on.

by: nannyboo

As a childminder I wear a uniform. It is whatever trousers I have to hand but I have white polo shirt with my logo and name on I also have a fleece with the same.I am proud to be a childminder and do not mind who knows it. (plus it keeps my own stuff smart - yes baby threw his lunch over me yet again missing the apron I was wearing). I worked in a nursery where we had to wear a uniform. It was a striped uniform dress with tights not at all practical for in a nursery but owner was more bothered about image and fancied us all as Norland nannies I am sure. Two dresses for the whole week as well.

by: pinkbear

I like uniforms for pretty much the same reasons others have stated: I like separating my work and out of work clothes, less worry about stains not washing out, no need to put any thought into what i'm wearing and I am of the opinion that it helps me to feel part of the staff team.